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		<title>Women in Technology</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dom kicked up a women in technology debate again recently.  I&#8217;ve seen a few responses, from one chap who thinks women have achieved equality already to a woman who doesn&#8217;t think girl&#8217;s brains are generally good for &#8220;programming&#8221; &#8211; and someone else who thinks there isn&#8217;t a problem as long as you&#8217;re thick skinned enough [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dom <a href="http://www.thehodge.co.uk/random-musings/rants/women-in-technology-events.php">kicked up</a> a women in technology debate again recently.  I&#8217;ve seen a few responses, from one chap who thinks women have achieved equality already to a woman who doesn&#8217;t think girl&#8217;s brains are generally good for &#8220;programming&#8221; &#8211; and someone else who thinks there isn&#8217;t a problem as long as you&#8217;re thick skinned enough to put up with a sexually hostile workplace.</p>
<p>The main gripe appears to be with &#8220;women only&#8221; conferences, such as the <a href="http://womenontheweb.wordpress.com/">Women on the Web conference</a>, organised by a group called <a href="http://www.forwardladies.com/">Forward Ladies</a>, or the <a href="http://londongirlgeekdinners.co.uk/about-us/">Geek Girl dinners</a>.</p>
<p>I think a fair summary of his, and some other commenters, opinion is that these &#8220;women-only&#8221; events don&#8217;t help the effort to get more women involved in technology. Comparing it to positive discrimination in many ways.</p>
<h3><span id="more-350"></span>Women Friendly</h3>
<p>The way I see these events is more &#8220;women-friendly&#8221;, rather than &#8220;women-only&#8221;.  With Geek Girl dinners, this is explicit, as men can attend at the invite of a women. A simple, but generally effective heuristic to select for friendliness to women.</p>
<p>With Women on the Web, it&#8217;s less clear, but <strong>nowhere does it state men are not welcome</strong>.  The same goes for the Forward Ladies membership terms and conditions. I&#8217;m not sure how Dom knows this event is women only (I&#8217;ve emailed Forward Ladies for more info).</p>
<p>Until I&#8217;m shown otherwise, I&#8217;m assuming the Women on the Web conference is women-friendly, not women-only.  Of course, if you browse the site you see photos of women, and all the past speakers appear to be women, and this might not be that inviting to men &#8211; but how inviting do you think <a title="Info-security conference" href="http://www.infosec.co.uk">Infosec</a> is to women, with photos of rooms full of men, and women in skimpy clothes giving out leaflets? Perhaps all the speakers are women because they just don&#8217;t get many men interested &#8211; maybe men just  need to be thicker skinned and ask to be involved.</p>
<p>As an amusing side note, after checking the Infosec url was correct I caught sight of this year&#8217;s branding &#8211; hundreds of what I assume are just people, but they happen to be using the pretty well established symbol for &#8220;men&#8221; (let&#8217;s not get into that though).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.infosec.co.uk"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-353" title="Infosec conference logo" src="http://johnleach.co.uk/words/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/infosec-men-logo.png" alt="Infosec conference logo" width="384" height="141" /></a></p>
<h3>Demand</h3>
<p>You only have to <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/imran/sets/72157606723254317/">see the turnout of women</a> at Leeds Geek Girl dinners compared to the turnout of women at Leeds Geekup to know there is a demand for these women-friendly events. For whatever reasons, some women are more likely to go an explicitly women-friendly geek event than another random geek event. Of course women should be encouraged to come to all events, but not all events are equally friendly to women, and it&#8217;s often difficult to assess how friendly they are from outside.</p>
<h3>Social Groups</h3>
<p>Women are a social group  &#8211; they&#8217;ll often share some common experiences and outlooks due to their sex &#8211; due to society&#8217;s treatment of them as a group of people. This goes for men too. And gay people. And geeks. Etc.  When you see women in this way, you&#8217;d expect some of them to organise and attend these types of events. Most social groups do.</p>
<p>Geek Girl Dinners just have a convenient way of selecting women-friendly people: women, or men invited by women. Of course, not all women are women friendly  &#8211; that is just a stereotype, but it seems to work for them.</p>
<p>Largely though, I think if you name things and brand things right, you get the people you&#8217;re hoping for. Maybe that&#8217;s why Infosec is a sausage-fest.</p>
<h4>Update</h4>
<p>Forward Ladies has confirmed that men <em>are</em> welcome to Women on the Web, and are welcome as members of Forward Ladies too. They also run 50/50 events &#8220;to which men are specifically invited&#8221;.</p>
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